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RE: Hunting: My Collage for LMAC #194

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Opening the week with controversy? 😄

Like you, I used to think ALL hunting was terrible, when you can just go to the store and just get it nicely packaged. My mind changed when I began to listen to some of the people that hunt and make some good points. Of course, if one is opposed to any killing whatsoever, there is no amount of facts and opinions that can sway you.

One particular well spoken hunter-conservationist is Steven Rinella who has a show on hunting and actually shows it. At first, I reacted with revulsion and horror, but once you start listening to his explanation, then you begin to appreciate hunting a little more. There are many angles to this issue, and once you explore it in depth, then you begin to understand the nuance of this topic. A hunter gets up close and personal with the source of the meat. Closer to the spirit of the animal, a native American might say. You get to know it more intimately, and it's not just an impersonal package from the supermarket, where we are divorced from the reality of that animal as a living being, and the process that ends that life.

There is also a strong relationship between hunting and conservation of the environment, at least in North America. There are good and bad practices in hunting, Steven highlights those good and bad practices in his work. I recommend perusing Steven's Meat Eater podcast if you're interested in environmental conservation from a hunter's perspective.

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Oh please! I grew up in a community where every self-respecting farmer had several deer heads mounted. I know all the rationalizations. Your explanation of the 'joy' of hunting reminds me of what a serial killer might say. You have to get up close and appreciate that you are taking a life.

Native hunters truly did hunt for meat. They had to. They didn't make sport of it. They weren't bored. It was life for them, life they shared with the animals they killed.

To get pleasure out of killing, out of seeing something expire...that is a distortion of compassion. It must always cost us to kill. Killing even on a micro level makes killing acceptable.

I've no desire to listen to your hunter. I've heard it all.

Healthcare workers (the good ones) burn out because of the suffering they witness. When you are able to watch suffering, and you don't suffer, you have crossed a threshold that brings you further from compassion.

Your explanation of the 'joy' of hunting reminds me of what a serial killer might say.

Please do not mischaracterize my words. I did not use the phrase 'joy of hunting' anywhere in my post, and then to call me a serial killer too boot is ridiculous.

Native hunters truly did hunt for meat. They had to. They didn't make sport of it.

You are mistaken on this. Native Americans also hunted for recreation. It was an important aspect of their culture, and like most cultures, they integrate 'the joy of hunting' into their social activites.

I've no desire to listen to your hunter. I've heard it all.

I see. Good to see that you have a well rounded understanding of this complex topic.

I never meant to suggest that you find joy in hunting. But hunters do.

A hunter gets up close and personal with the source of the meat.

O yes, they do. And they don't mind at all. They enjoy the outdoors. They enjoy the camouflage. They enjoy the guns. They enjoy the culture.

It's not that I'm closed minded. This issue is not new to me. You can't imagine how much I've read, how many videos I've watched. How many news casts I've listened to.

This issue is not new to me.

It sounds like you're very passionate about the issue and have done in-depth research that has led to your current viewpoint. So, I can see where you're coming from.

Personally, I'm opposed to some forms of hunting practices but not others. At the end of the day, as you said, we're all hunters if we eat meat. How close we want to be to the final act and procedure is another matter. My grandmother used to raise chickens. I once saw her wring a chicken by the neck and throw it in boiling water to cook. I had the pleasure of defeathering the bird and realized at that moment that I wanted no part of the process. I do think others should have the right, within reason, to get up close to their game, as long they follow the proper laws.

Kind of like religion and politics--issue that people feel passionate about cannot be discussed dispassionately, I guess.

I always value your input, but you're right (my landlord used to chop their heads off, but I never had to defeather😕)

Hope you are having a peaceful day now that we have put this topic aside😆😇