If You Meet the Buddha, Kill the Buddha

in Reflections9 days ago

Recently two news stories have caught my eye. The first was that Andrew Huberman, super popular with fitness and personal development bros, is kind of an asshole to women, dating handfuls of them at the same time while pretending to be exclusive and not treating them very well. The story has gone on to say that a lot of the things he gives as indisputable facts of health in his podcast are not, that he uses scientific-sounding jargon purposely to make himself seem more of an authority than he is, and... oh, well, all kinds of bad stuff. Use your imagination. You can find many stories on it now, but this one might sum things up really well. Or you could always read the New York Magazine piece that broke the story.

Flash forward a few months and now a lot of stories are coming out about how author Neil Gaiman is something of a serial rapist and abuser. More and more women keep coming out against him. It's a little reminiscent of Bill Cosby, who was America's dad for decades until suddenly a host of women came out against him and showed us his dark side. Unlike Cosby, by the way, Gaiman doesn't deny any of the women or sexual encounters, but he claims they were all consensual BDSM. Again, if you Google it you can find no shortage to the stories. As Gaiman is a much higher star that Huberman, this story is developing much faster. Here's a recent one from Rolling Stone. Now just the other day, he was dumped from a comic he was writing. Like Cosby, if more women keep entering this story, it could turn out very badly for Gaiman.

And yeah, there is Bill Cosby himself. For decades he was one of the most beloved comedians and stars in America. Unlike many other modern comedians, he eschewed risqué humor, giving him a very family friendly image, and he was so esteemed that he held a position in the American consciousness right along side Mr Rogers, Levar Burton, and Bob Ross. But then his dark side came out and his downfall happened. You all know that story.

I kind of wasn't surprised when I read the Huberman story. I've enjoyed some of his podcasts in the past, but his word soup immediately is evident, a very common (but effective) tactic to make oneself seem more of an expert and gain authority over others, and that always made me dislike him a little. I never liked his advertising model either. So I don't know, maybe I was primed to not be surprised at bad news about him.

The Neil Gaiman news surprised me a bit more. While I can't say I like his novels—something about them always made them unreadable to me—I did admire his story. But maybe as a fountain pen user I was just won over by his praise of them and of the fact that he writes the first draft of all his novels longhand with a fountain pen. It's too bad it seems like he's not a nice guy to women, to put it mildly.

All this reminds me of a famous Zen Buddhist saying. "If you meet the Buddha, kill him".[1] This was said by 9th century Chinese Zen Buddhist Linji Yixuan (臨済義玄), perhaps better known by his Japanese name, Rinzai Gigen, due to the fact that he is considered the founder of Rinzai Zen, one of the three main branches of Zen Buddhism.

What does this mean? It can be interpreted a number of different ways, but one of the is to have no expectations of others. In this case, have no heroes. If you have a hero, kill that image, because you will inevitably be disappointed. The Buddha was not a hero, he wasn't a savior, he certainly wasn't a god; he was a human, with all the flaws that all of us humans have. So too, our celebrities and "influencers" aren't special or flawless and shouldn't be looked at that way. They are humans, they make mistakes, they do bad things sometimes.

When we put people on pedestals, we give them a power they don’t deserve, an illusion of infallibility that blinds us to their humanity. And when that illusion shatters, it can feel like a personal betrayal.

But what if we approached everyone—heroes, influencers, or even historical figures—not as paragons to emulate but as people to learn from, flaws and all? What if, instead of looking for heroes to worship, we sought values and actions worth aspiring to, while understanding that no one embodies them perfectly?

The idea isn’t to never admire or respect anyone. It’s to do so with open eyes, with the understanding that admiration doesn’t require idealization. The Buddha was just a man, and that’s exactly why his teachings resonate—because they came from a place of shared humanity. Maybe that’s where we should keep our focus: not on the false glow of heroism, but on the light we can cultivate within ourselves.

Now... who's the next public figure to fall from grace?

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Hi there! David is an American teacher and translator lost in Japan, trying to capture the beauty of this country one photo at a time and searching for the perfect haiku. He blogs here and at laspina.org. Write him on Mastodon.

  1. For some reason whenever I think of this saying, my brain usually brings it out as "If you meet the Buddha, kill the Buddha." I suppose it sounds a little more poetic to me. Anyway, that is why the variant for the title and title graphic.

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You're right, hero worship is blind. Let's be open and not draw an illusion to justify....

Somehow, Andrew Huberman was giving me that vibes so that definitely isn't surprising that it finally goes to public. I personally listened to his podcast and I am sure those who listen long enough would wonder, " what is this person is hiding actually" or something along that line.

I've met people who worship K-pop and reasoning with them isn't exactly pleasant. I just don't get it why people put anyone with some significant numbers of followers, money etc to such pedestal as if they'll care about us or reciprocate our efforts.

I'm with you. Yet people keep doing exactly that. Humans are funny.

An awesome read. I wondered where you were going, then you killed the Buddha. Well done.

Thanks!

There are a lot of news stories like that everywhere in the world... 😢
I think everything should be unveiled and disclosed widely!

"If you meet the Buddha, kill him".

Wow... that's so deep and very interesting. Every time I think about gods from many different types of religions, I come closer to the Animism concept. I believe almost all things have a 'Kamui' spirit rather than placing a hero figure above us. I don't want to believe in only one symbol or figure as our god or something.

The Buddha was just a man, and that’s exactly why his teachings resonate

Totally!!

Yes, I agree. Some form of Animism makes the most sense, I think.

I've honestly never heard of either of those people. Is that bad?

Naw, it just suggests you aren't a big fiction reader and that you aren't one of these "personal development" bros who are looking to optimize every aspect of their life (dopamine-fasts and whatnot).

That sounds about right for sure!

Excellent read. As a student of science myself, I have always said everyone trust but verify. However it is easy to say but very difficult to accomplish in the current age of misinformation.

Gautam, as we know Buddha in India, was a young man who left her life and kid at Lummini for “greater good”. If you read about his early life you will see there are a lot of things you will probably do differently.

Oh absolutely, his abandonment of his wife and child were not exactly kind acts. Eventually they both joined with him after he achieved enlightenment, but that doesn't necessarily make up for the earlier action.

Glad you enjoyed the writing!

How does that other saying go. Never meet your heroes?

I keep on coming back to this song almost weekly...

Yep, exactly.

Great song!

Hiya,

I was curious to read this post based on this quote I like from Buddhism. I still like it but I struggled to get very far in your post when I ran into the stuff about Huberman. I noticed my immediate desire to protect and defend his character.

I've spent a lot of time listening to and reading human behaviour. I've learned who can be trusted and who can't. After spending a lot of time learning very valuable and useful things from Andrew, and watching how humble he is when interviewing other masters in their respective fields, it has become obvious that I not only deeply respect him but also trust him so much I would be willing to hand him our grand daughter to play with. (And I can't say that about many men I met, on or offline).

To your point about pedestals, I think they are dangerous. I also think that when too many people look up to someone (as millions do with Huberman) that the world's nature balance comes along and tries somehow to tear them off that pedestal.

I think that's why this nymag.com tried to create a story in the first place - to tear him off the pedestal he'd been put on (and perhaps get some of the huge amount of attention he's been getting for years by teaching so much helpful stuff - albeit, in heavy, detailed language that is sometimes hard to keep up with).

I can't see how, if you didn't like his business model, that this would have set you up to expect something bad from him (as you said). I think it's good to review our potential biases.

I don't want to belabour the point on this. He's not my buddy or my brother, and I don't need you to like him. But I didn't feel like I could scroll past the post of a clever, thoughtful man like yourself without seeing if I could offer another perspective. If for no other reason, than Huberman's educational offerings really do give much to the world and have been incredibly helpful for Brad's and I in supporting a healthier lifestyle.

I, like you, want to know who is doing good things and who can be trusted. Who do we let into our lives, our minds and, directly or indirectly, influence our families?

Huberman is someone who, upon reflection, and listening to him speak in a long interview since about that period of his life last year, is someone I 100% trust.

Is he perfect? No. Does he belong on a pedestal? No. But is he human and being of great service to a great many people? Yes.

(A Google search revealed a great many articles and videos capitalising on the smear campaign of Huberman, his past life and his work, from people who no doubt wanted to steal some of the clicks. But a bit of a dig brought up this - another perspective - in case you're open to considering that, perhaps, Andrew doesn't deserve to be in a pit anymore than you or I:

JoeRogan/comments/1bog1t1/saagar_comes_to_hubermans_defense/#lightbox) reddit metadata:fEpvZVJvZ2FufGh0dHBzOi8vd3d3LnJlZGRpdC5jb20vci9Kb2VSb2dhbi9jb21tZW50cy8xYm9nMXQxL3NhYWdhcl9jb21lc190b19odWJlcm1hbnNfZGVmZW5zZS8jbGlnaHRib3gpfA== ~~~

Thanks for the long comment 😃 I really appreciate your perspective. Let me try to offer a few additional thoughts.

I'm sure there is another side. Dating multiple women at once and lying to each of them about it might be somewhat questionable behavior, but it's also a pretty common thing for both men and women to do. All the pieces definitely take the women's side over his. That said, I do agree with many of the pieces that his science is questionable at times and the products he choose to advertise are also questionable—some of them have been shown to downright lie about their content—which isn't necessarily his problem, but it is disappointing that he chooses to align himself with them, presumably because they pay him a lot of money to overlook their flaws.

All of these things don't take away from the good that he has done. In addition to the knowledge and curiosity he's bright people, his popularity has led to a huge host of YouTubers who copy his format, many of whom are pretty good. His actions above just show that he is a flawed human like the rest of us. In another comment Azircon pointed out that the Buddha also had his moments of dubious behavior, abandoning his wife and child when he went off on his spiritual quest. Far from denying or trying to explain away those questionable actions, we usually accept them as showing the Buddha was far from perfect and in that sense, we embrace them as a part of the Buddha story.