RE: Hive L2 - return of the bidbots

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libertycrypto27 in Curangel • 4 months ago (edited)

Hive and Hive-based games are one of my passions and I play and support almost all hive-based games and so I know CCD tokens because I play on Brobang and have accumulated many CCD tokens as game rewards and also because I love to support games I like.

I also used CCD tokens to receive a vote because I thought it was a service accepted on Hive because the vote is not automatic and also arrived a long time after sending the tokens because the cryptocompany read and viewed the posts before voting on them.

But I agree 100% that upvotes should always be non-guaranteed and non-automatic, so if from your research you saw that all requests were receiving a vote it is only fair that this service be stopped.

I really liked the way you wrote this post explaining why these schemes are not good for Hive

I also really liked cryptocompany's response in your post and in this post because they understood the reasons and immediately stopped the service and are thinking about better alternatives.

I consider this a good example of how a problem can be solved in a nice and positive community:

an experienced Hiver shows a problem/error to a less experienced Hiver giving a second chance
the less experienced Hiver understands the problem and fixes it thanking whoever pointed out the error

About HSBI:

If HBSI can receive HIVE in exchange for shares (not tokens) to give an automatic vote why can't a game project sell a token (purchasable and sellable) in exchange for a vote that is reviewed before voting it?

This translates to: If you have thousands of HP you can sell votes otherwise not

I think this situation it should be solved like the others

4 months ago in Curangel by libertycrypto27

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steembasicincome 4 months ago

Hive SBI is not selling shares. You curate a target account that you want to support permanently, and it receives Hive SBI upvotes on an ongoing basis. Then you get back your curation rewards, but in the form of votes on your own account. Because it's curation, the APR is approximately the same as just curating from your own account, but there are some advantages in having better control over how much support you're giving. Also, people respond more enthusiastically to "I got you some HSBI" than they do to "I added you to my autovoter." The first they know is permanent, independent of your decisions going forward. The second you could change your mind tomorrow.

And sure, critics will say we could change our minds tomorrow too, but Hive SBI has been running the same way with no change since the origin of Hive (and has been around several years before that on the original chain).

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libertycrypto27 4 months ago

thanks for clarification about the funcioning of Hsbi
I just hope you do a review of accounts that receive permanent voting

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josephsavage 4 months ago

Crowdsourced curation is largely effective, and sponsors mostly know it's permanent (there is a partial refund policy, but it's designed to punish abuse).

We also have an abuse-report page in our Discord and we have a vote stream at https://content.hivesbi.com that shows all the Hive SBI voted content and the value of Hive SBI votes so that it's easy for even non-technical users to review our votes and report potential abuse (or decide who deserves even more support).

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pharesim 4 months ago

If HBSI can receive HIVE in exchange for shares (not tokens) to give an automatic vote why can't a game project sell a token (purchasable and sellable) in exchange for a vote that is reviewed before voting it?

I totally agree, it's the same. Problem is, HSBI is encouraging users to gift HSBI to others. Because of this, many people hold it who don't even know what it is. They also can't sell their shares to opt out. So there's not really a way to interfere with downvotes without hurting a lot of small completely innocent users.

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isnochys 4 months ago

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