RE: Putin Opened the Eyes of American Viewers to the Essence of the Contradictions Between Russia and the West

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RE: Putin Opened the Eyes of American Viewers to the Essence of the Contradictions Between Russia and the West

memess in LeoFinance • 9 months ago

Amount are much lower, on ukraininan side.

Hard to find an agreeement if russia wanna keep crimea. Russia should just retreat as they started the war.

Ukrain can't just let crimea and other annexed teritories go to russia cuz it would let the door open to other attacks, like why not reattacking ukrain if they let it slide.

Unless russia accept to retire the chance of agreement is low, russia won't agree to retire before to use all of its manpower because all the propaganda used in russia to market it as an easy war would mean puttin lied, and is in a position of weakness and russia can't let that hapleb to keep people support.

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stayoutoftherz 9 months ago

Crimea was always Russian, this is out of question. Also the people there have voted in that way.
And Russia has started the war only after several year have passed where the Russians in Eastern Ukraine were oppressed, bombed and many killed - completely unnecessary! Why did the Ukro-Faschist regime did this? They were ordered to do so by USA, to provoke Russia to the war! Or is there any other reason to molest those Civilians who just wanted to live their lives?

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memess 9 months ago

Well about crimea history :

it was russian but russia choose to give it away so it's not russia anymore 🤷‍♂️

If you reffere to the vote of 2014, due to illegal presence of russian troops this votation can't be accepted as in the internatinal laws, for the oppression what are you sources ? Just vlad talks ? because except some youtube reportage i didn't find any trust seeming sources in the reportage it was people from both side harrasing the other side for various reasons. For the bombing part during the 2014 event's crimea was in war with russian separatist agains't the Ukraininan froces so yeah bomb were dropped like in any war.

According to https://www.ohchr.org/sites/default/files/Documents/Countries/UA/29thReportUkraine_EN.pdf

Most of the kills/infjuries are combatant, concerning the civilians some died due to "normal" war situation like error or just lost bullets.

According to https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2014/10/eastern-ukraine-conflict-summary-killings-misrecorded-and-misreported/, both camp did some civilians kills for completely no reason.

Even if you still think all of this is false, why would 3-4K citizen from both side be equal to so much deaths :

About the usa, there participation in past conflict don't make them automatically guilty of present conflict, if you think my source lie think about it who as more chance of telling the truth :

A gouvernement owning all the medias in the country, where you can go to prison for peaceful protestation, the only opponent die in mysterious circumstances, you can say what you think only if it get along with the governement

A gouvernement with free press, allowing protests as long as they are peacefull, open politic, you can say what you wish.

I got my choice, anyway thanks for reading ^^

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stayoutoftherz 9 months ago

For sure you have some valid points, but I feel too tired and look up sources. It is so pointless. Everybody has sources which validates his own position. We could for sure debate for hours but what for? In any case there should be peace agreements sooner than later. Have a nice weekend!

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memess 9 months ago

Have a nice weekend too ^^

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vp-freelance 9 months ago

There is case law. what is allowed to one (usa) must be allowed to another (russia).

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memess 9 months ago

Can you tell the dates of the events ?
Need these to answer correctly

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stayoutoftherz 9 months ago

No, but you can find it in public sources.

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vp-freelance 9 months ago

the question is different
do the people of ukraine have the right to self-determination under the un Charter?
Can a separate region of Ukraine organise a referendum and secede from the country, or should Russia assert this right militarily?

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memess 9 months ago

The population should choose, but can we trust votes if there was army all around voters

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vp-freelance 9 months ago

Yes, Green men were in Crimea!
The Ukrainian army has launched an anti-terrorist operation against its own population of Donetsk and Luhansk, calling them separatists for their desire to separate their regions from Bandera Ukraine in the wake of Crimea. And Russia did not have the courage and strength in 2014 to ensure that the green men held a referendum there!

In general, the presence of green little men is a good reason to ignore the will of the people! At every election, security is provided by people with guns. But when these weapons are held by Russians - the expression of the will is not legitimate? Is that your logic?

My relatives and friends from Crimea voted in this referendum, it was no different from the others except for the mass upliftment of spirit from the realisation of involvement in something great and crucial. I remember their mood

Are you aware that Ukraine cut off water and electricity to the territories where separatists - terrorists - lived? They were exterminated! Two regions of my country my state outlawed and sent regular army and nationalist battalions of volunteers against them. The Nazis in the government of Ukraine, who seized power in 2014 as a result of a coup d'état, bombed with planes, shelled with tanks and artillery, stormed with infantry, the inhabitants of Ukraine who refused to recognise the legitimacy of the Nazis and Banderites who seized power by force!
Only some Russian military figures responded to the pleas for help of the Russian-speaking population of the south-eastern part of Ukraine, and that unofficially, and at the beginning of the conflict Russia participated only indirectly by a small number of volunteers who crossed the border on their own.

Do you know who Bandera is and what he did? Do you know how many monuments to this murderer of women and children have been erected in Ukraine? Would you like to ask Polish historians about his biography?
Do you consciously support Nazis and want to see them in the European Union?
Do you realise that the sooner Nato stops funding the Nazis, the sooner the bloodshed on my land will end, and the sooner the EU economy will be able to recover from senseless and useless anti-Russian sanctions to the detriment of its own population?

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vp-freelance 9 months ago

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memess 9 months ago

Whatever, stopping the funding won't stop the killings. Russia won't just stop to invade Ukraine, if tommorow Nato stop funding the chance of russia simply attacking the whole land, probably where you live too (you live in ukraine too right ?). For the most part the economics suffer from other factor only the energy/gas price raised a lot due to the sanctions the rest is caused by other poor managing decisions.

As stayoutoftherz sayed let's just agree to disagree

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vp-freelance 9 months ago

Your assertion that Russia can attack the whole world is tantamount to saying that the US or Australia can do it!
Ukraine, having decided to join nato, started to pose an existential threat to russia. Russia could not let that happen. This was the main condition of Ukrainian sovereignty - neutrality and non-aligned status.
When Ukraine violated it, it received the natural consequences of its shortsightedness!
If Mexico had agreed to deploy Russian weapons near US borders, America would have done exactly the same thing as Russia, but with a more brutal scenario! Why do you think that Russia should have allowed the enemy to approach its territory with its bases and weapons and America should not? There have been far worse crimes against civilians in US history than in Russian history!

Why aren't you worried about the people of Gaza? Unlike the Ukrainians, they are being destroyed for real! And here we have nightclubs, corruption in the country on humanitarian aid, arms trade from Western partners, evasion of forced mobilisation.... Transport and enterprises are working, the transit of aggressive gas through our territory to our partners continues ... Standing bridges, government, railway not shelled.
How many Gazans can tell us in the Hive about their fate? Why don't they come out in their pants dipped in paint to rally against aggressive Israel? They must have dignity!

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memess 9 months ago

Haha good point you bring here, i'm for gaza. Why don't gaza come on hive maybe because they don't have internet there anymore. I am worried about what happen in gaza all this kids and civilians bombed and all these atrocities.

I never sayed russia would attack the whole world just sayed russia would attack the whole of Ukraine if aids stopped.

The nato join of Ukrainian wouldn't be a threat if russia never planned of attacking Ukraine,

There have been far worse crimes against civilians in US history than in Russian history!

And ? Because usa commited war crimes russia can do some too ? No, i'm agaisn't all type of war crime but currently the warcrimes are more russian sided.

Like sayed before we probably won't be able to agree maybe it's better to save some time and stop argumenting.

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vp-freelance 9 months ago

Fuel prices are rising because someone voluntarily gave up cheap fuel, thinking that by doing so they will do bad things to Russia to their own detriment. But Russia has reoriented its sales, and the EU has not been able to meet its demand at the previous prices.
Now the Hussites have added their transport tax))))) Hang in there

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