RE: Are you on HIVE to Invest or to Milk the Cash Cow?

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RE: Are you on HIVE to Invest or to Milk the Cash Cow?

slobberchops in LeoFinance • 7 months ago (edited)

Looking through those 30 accounts took some time. I don't want to throw people off the BOT, as it's tough to replace them. I'm quite stringent on adding new ones, and I have yet to see a 'pick me' comment. Are they too afraid of being judged now?

'New trend' - it's been brewing for a while and I am not going to call anyone out, it's their stake after all. I run that BOT and it cycles around the 300+ accounts and uses up my surplus VP, but struggles after a while as there's nothing to vote. We need more people on HIVE, and I suppose this doesn't help pull them in.

Do we want a load of extractors or a large handful of decent people. It's like the difference between HIVE and STEEM. That chain is slowly catching up HIVE in terms of $ per token.., is this the way to go.. vote any old shit?

7 months ago in LeoFinance by slobberchops

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acidyo 7 months ago

by trend I just mean this recent activity by many people I follow posting about this. It'd be important not to "throw fire at gasoline", I know you and others aren't going to take it too far where it might get ugly ans personal, but others will and I don't think it's the right thing to focus on right now.

yes we do need new people and it'd be great if they were interested in staying staked and looking at the future, I guess it's hit and miss there just like it always has been.

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slobberchops 7 months ago

I used to hand out votes to new people, but in todays world I assume they are scammers. Sad to say I am right often. It takes a few posts for me to gain a little trust, and by then they give up.., maybe I could concoct some script to look for 1st posts, and then wait for post 2,3,4 and then decide.

I am not all negative, and look for the good people too!

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qwerrie 7 months ago

As we usually say in business, one old (i.e. satisfied) client is better than two new ones. And it's not without reason. Of course, I'm up for Hive to flourish with new users, but why the hell are we losing the trusted older ones? I've seen many nice folks, passionate, active, creative, bringing first-class content - became disappointed in Hive system and withdraw their HP. While this is happening, attracting new users to Hive is like carrying water in a sieve. "New users" will have their posts generously supported, get used to it, after six months support is finished, they close their accounts, withdraw money, and start over. Dont you feel something is wrong with this?..

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nonameslefttouse 7 months ago

People think handing out free money will attract and retain more users. They value having more users. Then when they get used, they can't figure out why. Yet, having more "users" is all some care about, so they continue on with the same behavior nonstop for eight years, in order to attract more users, and continue to get used.

Interesting, talented people leave because it's depressing to work for no audience.

Sprinkling people with "rewards" just to keep them and their abilities around is disrespectful. Content creators work hard to build entire communities around their offerings.

For several years I've been pointing out the severe lack of consumers on this platform, while they continue to onboard and pay more content creators while ignoring the role of consumer.

Due to what the "Hive Community" thinks is productive, I'm now left with a following consisting of content creators that all left years ago, rather than consumers. The market or community I built up over the span of several years has no value and I can't even use those numbers to get sponsorship deals or anything. There's absolutely no future here for anyone who takes their work seriously.

And it'll be like this for another eight years as these stakeholders refuse to acknowledge it's their own mistakes and guidance creating the disaster they continuously find themselves in.

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qwerrie 7 months ago

Interesting, talented people leave because it's depressing to work for no audience.

this. I dont think its the only or biggest reason, but a very sufficient, for sure.

I've been pointing out the severe lack of consumers on this platform,

this! I also tired of repeating that Hive needs readers, not authors. totally 146% agree with you.

I remember an attempt (within OCD curating activity) to reward great comments with nice upvotes. but, hmm, the results were not impressive, and I don’t know if this had any continuation other than “fading out.”

absolutely no future here for anyone who takes their work seriously.

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nonameslefttouse 7 months ago

I've offered potential solutions and strategies over the years.

More and more people are supporting content creators with their own money. You'd have to be chained to a rock to be able to miss that boat. Yet here we are offering consumers the ability to stake tokens and support content they enjoy, as their money grows instead of throwing it away. That's one way consumers can be rewarded here. What do we do with it? Encourage people to automate everything and get paid to be absent. They want free accounts building stake stemming from a melting glacier of inflation in order to "pay" for this content, rather than encouraging millions of people to sign on and support the things they enjoy, as they do, with their billions of dollars that exist on the outside.

Missing the mark by a mile. They think people want to be "curators" and "investors" while the rest of the internet knows they want to be "consumers."

Calling it "web3" like it's supposed to be the future, as common practices stemming from minds eight years ago contribute to the platform becoming more and more behind the times as the days and weeks go by.

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qwerrie 7 months ago (edited)

You grok it at higher level than me. Respect! 🙏🐈🐈

@x-rain, let me alert you on this, have a look.

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nonameslefttouse 7 months ago (edited)

People are free to ignore this way of life here. They're free to look outside and call their people in. If they have that ability, there's a great opportunity here waiting for them and a good deal sitting on the table. Attract real paying consumers to your work. Anyone attempting to control your destiny on this platform, willing to turn their back on you the instant you spend some of the money they gave you, is not a fan of your work. That real market or following is set in stone, decentralized, and cannot be taken away from you.

The rest can sit here acting like the Rapa Nui all they want. Trapped on an island, extracting scarce resources nonstop in order to follow the tradition of carving massive stone heads destined to be propped up nice and tall so they can glare at any newcomers washing up on shore before they get eaten or indoctrinated.

Okay. Maybe I'm pushing it!

First paragraph is true. The second is a lesson from history everyone should pay attention to in order to avoid the same fate.

At this point, I'm just here to watch the show, because I'd like to see all these people succeed and create more opportunities in the process.

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acidyo 7 months ago

we have a bot like this in our discord, we could use some more curators looking into it, though. As you say it's not easy to determine genuine ones from fakes.

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slobberchops 7 months ago

Interesting that these things are getting more commonplace, I need to revisit mine and re-code it. BEEM is long since deprecated and it needs a re-work.

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acidyo 7 months ago

I don't think that's a good comparison at the end, though. almost no users get curated there, it's all just going towards people with stake, so probably easier to keep a higher price when it's just investors even if the chain is practically dead.

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mightyrocklee 7 months ago (edited)

Where we can see them extractors with that list? Not good with scripts.

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slobberchops 7 months ago

I am not naming and shaming, that's the not the object of this..

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gwajnberg 7 months ago

I'm quite stringent on adding new ones, and I have yet to see a 'pick me' comment.Are they too afraid of being judged now?

I didn't want to go into this but there a people who don't like to ask to vote on them. I never asked no one to vote on my posts , I recommended some people, but never recommended me :). I think that is the honest way to play. I remember a post of yours, I recommended a user that I enjoy reading. But I doubt that I am the only one that does that, I know at least more 5 users very close to me that act in the same way!

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