RE: Guess the city / Errate die Stadt #341.1 [en/de]

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RE: Guess the city / Errate die Stadt #341.1 [en/de]

noctury in Deutsch D-A-CH • 16 days ago

No i will not get rich on it, but i liked actually to do the riddles. I also did not drain out HIVE at all or made any money ... I got it that you do not like it, but the account was running quite a while and since there was no mention on it i just kept it running as it was and i already got used to it.

And there is no other account i post anything on hive not one and not zillions.

Feeling ethically guilty is a bit harsh - there were people that really liked this riddles and interaction. Yes it was template based (but still manual posts) and it is not utterly nonsense.

There won't be any posts like this from any of my accounts anymore.

And i am also not you guys. I am honest with my answer.

16 days ago in Deutsch D-A-CH by noctury

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acidyo 16 days ago

It's considered a low effort farm, just cause hive isn't worth a lot atm you were making around 15 hive per post while giving away 1 and funneling it all to this account.

Sure generating pics may take a bit of effort but I'm sure there's a lot of accounts creating original content earning less. Part of the fault is also on the autovoters/vote sellers like you have on this account as well.

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noctury 16 days ago

Sure i got your points. But to be honest if you take a deeper look the rewards are not fair and based on quality. It has influence, but it is not a major factor. Also i had to do a bit more than just to generate an image. Giving hints to all participants. Choosing a city which was never used yet etc. Of course it is not comparable with a whole Story Telling post, but it still takes more time than it pays out in hive :).

As i already wrote before i will refrain from doing anything like this further. But i am not the problem if at all a symptom.

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acidyo 16 days ago

the influence in this matter has proven to be easily gained as we've seen with giveaway posts with even less effort than yours, for instance. Many just really don't value their time. Still doesn't mean hive stakeholders should reward and incentivize such activities, or else we'd see them pop up more and more.

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noctury 14 days ago

Yes this would of course be bad. When i joined the raffle side i added tickets, coded some scripts for rewards etc. - just to make it something more. at this time there were so many bad raffles.

When i joined hive it was full of them so for me it seemed the way to be esp. with a developer background.

Now there are not that many giveaways anymore. But still you have this zillions of x!$$12 tokens that post their weekly / daily stats. Living from the tulip bubble, while paying out adopters with the hive from the ones that buy it.

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acidyo 14 days ago

A few giveaway posts here and there should be accepted, but when it's the main thing people do I'd rather see them forfeit author rewards because they shouldn't be profitable. It just extracts value from hive stakeholders without putting in any effort to give some meaning to the rewards, thus they're easily traded off for something else cause you got them for close to no effort/time investment.

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noctury 14 days ago

Sure i completely understand and agree. I just wanted to point out that there are many other schemes beside giveaways with a repetitive pattern (and if it is token based you even get votes from your "investors").

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acidyo 14 days ago

yeah, like eds or hsbi, they're hard to tackle however, you're the asshole if you start downvoting people while the projects aren't that much affected themselves as they've already gotten paid. They're also very spread out already so you'd have to start downvoting thousands of users potentially. I don't think they even let people sell their hsbi tokens back to then but not sure about that. All we can do for now is track and downvote the most extreme cases of low effort content since they themselves don't bother doing any curation.

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noctury 14 days ago

I like that i can discuss this with you an non emotional manner. I would not condemn anyone who tries things out on the chain. It is in my opinion just normal. It evolves with the people and people evolve too. at the end it is still all up to the stakeholders.

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azircon 16 days ago (edited)

The fact that the account was running for a long time IS THE PROBLEM. This is well after I caught and stopped your previous farm! These are actions. It is not that subconsciously you were running multiple farming accounts and “did not know”!

Anyhow, another day another dollar! What people wouldn’t do here for a “few dollars more”!

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noctury 16 days ago (edited)

First to clarify, this was not after you stopped my splinterlands raffles.
Both accounts were running in parallel with a different topic. Also i understood that you stopped the raffles cause you do not want that cards for free were spread and resulting in lowering the price. so again different topic.

Secondly this was just for fun and not money, It would be quite stupid to invest
the same time where i could earn the 10x-20x amount.

You know that the easiest way for me would have been to just not respond at all. But as i said i want to show you my honest opinion. Neither my main account nor this was to "make money" it was just for gambling and trying things out.

And of course i did not sell any token or take anything out of the ecosystem.

Is this ethical wrong - i do not know. What i know is that blockchains are usual never on the ethical side.
I got your positions on this - i also understand them and i will refrain from doing anything like this anymore.

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